MTP List -- Just who exactly is complaining about my postings, Steve, or is that a big secret?

To: "Steve Taylor" <Steve@miltoxproj.org>
From: "Russell D. Hoffman" <rhoffman@animatedsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: MTP List -- Just who exactly is complaining about my postings, Steve, or is that a big secret?

Date: October 16th, 2001
From: Russell Hoffman
To: Steve Taylor, Military Toxics Project
Re: MTP List -- Just who exactly is complaining about my postings, Steve, or is that a big secret?

Steve,

As I have said many times, and as most people realize (except, apparently, those on your list), the reason we have commercial nukes is because of the military need for plutonium and other radioactive materials for bombs.  Also to legitimize the use of nuclear reactors so that the Navy could use them.  And to provide for an employment service for ex-Nuclear Navy personnel.

There never has been a viable civilian nuclear power project at any time in history.

Furthermore, the Yucca Mountain Project, if it's passed, will be about 30% for military waste if I recall the number correctly (it's about that).  It will all be transported across America's civilian transportation system.

Did I mention the military connection between NASA's Cassini and the Air Force's nuclear spy satellites which orbit earth (believed to exist, but I suppose there's really no proof)?

Right now, American civilians are being targeted at home, and our nukes are the prime targets.  They are a legitimate target of war, too, because of the military connection mentioned in the first paragraph.

The waste they produce is the most toxic stuff on earth.  The military has been the most negligent in releasing nuclear waste to the environment, including but not limited to two nuclear submarines and probably at least one training reactor dumped unceremoniously into the Atlantic Ocean, as if that's some form of safe burial.

So what ARE you talking about, Steve?  I didn't see any voting or opinions posted on this issue.  Are you sure it's the opinion of the majority?

Well whatever.  I suppose you know the real reasons you are kicking me off, whatever they are, so I hope you'll at least just have the courtesy to post this letter, so that people on the list understand what actually happened (and can voice their opinions publicly if they so choose), and so that they know that these are the reasons I am not about to change, since obviously, you are not going to reinstate me on the list if I don't.  And I won't.

Lastly, I find it fascinating that after all that talk about being open about who might be a spook or who is acting like a spook, these " problems" you say are occurring are NOT occurring in public, on the forum itself, but in some sort of private communications with you.

That's pretty spooky.

Sincerely,

Russell Hoffman
Concerned Citizen
Carlsbad, CA


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>>>>> At 07:19 AM 10/11/01 , "Steve Taylor" <Steve@miltoxproj.org> wrote: >>>>>

Hi Russell:
 
I've temporarily removed you from the mtpbases list serve.  Your off-topic posts on commercial nuclear power plant safety were causing too many problems on the list.  If you're willing to limit your posts to issues germane to the list, we can put you back on if you so desire.
 
There are some lists which are focused on commercial nuke plant safety and issues - these might be better vehicles to spread your message.
 
In Solidarity,
 
Steve
 
Steve Taylor
National Organizer
Military Toxics Project
(207) 783-5091 (phone)
(207) 783-5096 (fax)
P.O. Box 558
Lewiston, ME  04243-0558

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From: Planttrees@aol.com
Message-ID: <14.1c13766f.28fddcd7@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 14:56:23 EDT
Subject: Confused about Bush/US and Bin Laden/Afghanistan?

  Confused?

  Having difficulty telling the good guys from the bad guys? Use this handy
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  TERRORISTS:
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  US GOVERNMENT:
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  wealthy oil family

  TERRORISTS:
  Leader has declared a holy war ('Jihad') against his 'enemies'; believes any
  nation not with him is against him; believes god is on his side, and that
  any means are justified.

  US GOVERNMENT:
  Leader has declared a holy war ('Crusade') against his 'enemies'; believes
  any nation not with him is against him; believes god is on his side, and
  that any means are justified.

  TERRORISTS:
  Supported by extreme fundamentalist religious leaders who preach hatred,
  intolerance, subjugation of women, and persecution of non-believers

  US GOVERNMENT:
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  intolerance, subjugation of women, and persecution of non-believers

  TERRORISTS:
  Leadership was not elected by a majority of the people in a free and fair
  democratic election

  US GOVERNMENT:
  Leadership was not elected by a majority of the people in a free and fair
  democratic election

  TERRORISTS:
  Kills thousands of innocent civilians, some of them children, in cold
  blooded bombings

  US GOVERNMENT:
  Kills (tens of) thousands of innocent civilians, some of them children, in
  cold blooded bombings

  TERRORISTS:
  Operates through clandestine organization (al Qaeda) with agents in many
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  US GOVERNMENT:
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  TERRORISTS:
  Using war as pretext to clamp down on dissent and undermine civil liberties

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