To: "Tim" <kemps89@yahoo.com>
From: "Russell D. Hoffman" <rhoffman@animatedsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: Possible Danger from terrorists - what a nutcase!!
In-Reply-To: <9qk0t0+9th4@eGroups.com>
References: <4.2.0.58.20011017021639.00a44e80@mail.adnc.com>
Oct. 17th, 2001
Dude,
Thank you for stating your opinion. It's out of proportion to reality, but "nice try". Sure, anything could be hit by a terrorist or a meteor, but the ramifications from a nuke being hit is much greater than from other targets being hit. Or, as I like to put it, a 100% successful attack on a coal-fired plant would be less of a problem than a .1% successful attack on a nuke.
Here's quote which might be of interest to you, from Dr. George Pararas-Carayannis:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
As Director of the International Tsunami Information Center, one of my particular concerns was the safety of nuclear power plants and the effects of a tsunami on the possible failure of their cooling systems - even if sited at high enough elevation. I was concerned not only about failure due to flooding, but also for failure due to withdrawal of water which could create a cave-in effect due to the loss of hydrostatic pressure. For distantly generated events, I was concerned on whether a plant could shut down within a reasonable length of time. Of course for locally generated events, this would be impossible.
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Can ALL the backup systems at San Onofre fail at once? Of course they can. A couple of rocket-propelled grenades would be a good start. Three or four 767's crashed into the place at once ought to do the trick if one isn't enough. A couple dozen suicide bombers flying in on hang-gliders would probably cause a bit of damage, I think, even if they don't carry machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades (like the Taliban forces are photographed with so often).
As to the recent incident at San Onofre, if the workers there are so careless as to cause a haz-mat team to have to be called out for some confectioner's sugar, that just proves they don't know how to be properly cautious. I bet that incident cost tens of thousands of dollars. Donut dust indeed!
Dude, don't believe everything your bosses tell you!
--rdh
At 06:25 AM 10/17/01 , you wrote:
> Please read my list of "25 simple ways to destroy a nuclear power
plant,
> kill millions of people, destroy thousands of square miles of prime
real
> estate for hundreds of millennia, and do it all for under $100,000
and with
> less than 20 people":
> http://www.animatedsoftware.com/environm/onofre/simple25.htm
Dude, you have an overblown sense of imagination. Using your logic,
I guess we need to shut down and dismantle EVERYTHING that is
susceptible to SOME SORT of terrorist attack - no matter how far
fetched the scenario is.
And while we're on the subject, please explain how destroying
the "cooling tubes" will prevent the plant from cooling itself when
the Aux Feedwater system is the system that ALWAYS is used to cool
the core when the turbine trips. Also, what about the three trains
of emergency diesel generators or the off-site station blackout
generators that are used when offsite power is lost (i.e. a
switchyard failure). Sure, one may fail to come on - but ALL of
them? Come, on! And how can someone navigate to the control room
with a caterpillar truck when the physical space is not large enough
to drive a truck through. Half the truck would be hanging off a
ledge and it would fall to the bottom of the turbine building without
being able to get anywhere inside the plant.
Dude, get a life - or better yet, grow up a little and buy some
common sense from your local Wal Mart or something. For example, if
a terrorist could launch a cruise missile at a plant, then they could
launch it at a sports stadium in the absence of any nuke plants.
Gee, should we now close all places where large amounts of people
congregate? Ditto for launching mortar rounds and everything else
you said was a "credible threat."
And by the way, control rooms are maintained at positive pressure so
any BC weapon released would not infiltrate the control room since,
last time I checked, gasses flow from higher to lower pressure - not
vice versa. I guess that simple high-school physics isn't high on
your list of accomplishments is it, Russell?
> San Onofre Scare
>
> A scare at the San Onofre nuclear power plant late in the afternoon
Tuesday
> forced an area of the plant to be cordoned off, 10News reported.
>
> An employee found white powder on a desk and more powder was found
in two
> other locations, officials said.
>
> The substance did not contain anthrax, hazmat officials said.
>
> <<<<< END OF NEWS ARTICLE <<<<<
What in the world is this supposed to prove other than even people at
nuke plants can eat a powdered doughnut and make a mess at their
desk? Gesh, you are simply UNREAL, dude.
> Remember, that's a plant that is supposedly extra safe because it's
on a
> military base. But someone STILL left a "calling card"!
Get a life.
> And if that's not enough to scare you into action, here are about
1000 more
> reasons to close the nukes:
> http://www.animatedsoftware.com/environm/onofre/index.htm
All hogwash and manufactured concerns. Using your "logic" (or lack
thereof), we should shut down our entire society and live like
hermits because there aren't too many of your "reasons" to shut down
nuclear plants that don't spill out into our everyday life and many
other aspects of our society.
I can see it now, first shut down NPP's becuase a cruise missile
could destroy it. now that those targets are gone, you'll probably
lobby to shut down shopping malls becuase cruise missiles could
destroy them too. Then, you'll set your sights on sports arenas,
then small strip malls, then the local Wal Mart, then large downtown
areas will need to be evacuated.
Sorry, Russel, your concerns contain no more logic or thought than
what a fifth grader would come up with.
> And if that's still not enough, please contact me and I'll give you
sources
> where you can learn of 1000 more problems, and 1000 more after that.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Russell D. Hoffman
> Concerned Citizen
> Carlsbad, CA
For someone that is so scared of radiation, you sure do enjoy living
in one of the highest background radiation areas of the country. I
get it, maybe you are just scared of radiation from NPP's but not
from the cosmos....no, that wouldn't make sense because the radiation
from the cosmos is hundreds times more than from NPP's and it affects
you the same. Maybe you are scared of an accident and the radiation
from THAT. No, that doesn't seem logical since you live near a plant
and, lets face it, the probability of an accident at a nuclear plant
which releases any more than a patethic trivial amount of radiation
is about as close to ZERO as you can get.
Let me see, thousands of reactor-years from western designed plants
has yielded ... HUH ... WHAT? No such releases? During that same
time, hundreds of millions of people have died from car accidents yet
I bet you have NO qualms with hopping in a car and going to your
local grocery store, do you Russell? Yeah, yeah, I know - you like
to listen to quacks, third-rate rejected scientists, and
fearmongerers (like Sternglass and Gofman) instead of listening to
reason. There is absolutely no hope for you, Russell. No hope at
all.